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Post by doverlegend1 on Mar 11, 2007 16:16:43 GMT -5
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Post by frwfallguy on Mar 12, 2007 6:43:49 GMT -5
While it is true that there is only one "Duke of Dorchester" Pete Doherty, I don't think he was an Duke of Elegance in any way. |
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Post by doverlegend1 on Mar 12, 2007 11:47:42 GMT -5
He may not of been ELEGANT....i saw him bite the late BAD NEWS BROWN in the ass with all 5 of his teeth but to me he was the one and only DUKE ! Classic jobber to say the least....Chesterfield and Vegas will still have there hands full with us !
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Post by pmoholland on Mar 13, 2007 9:02:32 GMT -5
the classic jobbers - pete doherty - lee wong - brooklyn brawler - angelo savaldi - the stable mates - ooops did i type that lmao
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Post by ilidrim on Mar 13, 2007 10:50:22 GMT -5
If you're talking jobbers, don't forget Barry Horowitz or SD Jones. Did Jones ever win a match?
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Post by pmoholland on Mar 13, 2007 16:47:09 GMT -5
yes sd jones did win some bouts and id consider him more of a step above a jobber. barry horowits had a small wining streak at one time about 5 or 6 in a row...i think sd jones giving a break could have been a good mid-carder he had talent and a good persona.as for barry i think would have made a good cruiser weight bad guy had good technical moves and good speed and the pattened self slap on the back would have made the arrogance even better if he did it after beating an opponent.i saw lee wong once put up a good fight against professor toro tanaka he actiually used some martial arts against tanaka did fairly well but then went back to infighting up close and tanaka size and weight demolished him only time i saw lee wong put up a good fight probley was a in-ring shoot lol to bad they didnt have more of the jr heavy weights or cruiser weights back then.
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Post by pmoholland on Mar 13, 2007 16:58:57 GMT -5
yes sd jones did win some bouts and id consider him more of a step above a jobber. barry horowits had a small wining streak at one time about 5 or 6 in a row...i think sd jones giving a break could have been a good mid-carder he had talent and a good persona.as for barry i think would have made a good cruiser weight bad guy had good technical moves and good speed and the pattened self slap on the back would have made the arrogance even better if he did it after beating an opponent.i saw lee wong once put up a good fight against professor toro tanaka he actiually used some martial arts against tanaka did fairly well but then went back to infighting up close and tanaka size and weight demolished him only time i saw lee wong put up a good fight probley was a in-ring shoot lol to bad they didnt promote the jr heavy weights or cruiser weights more back then i thnk these guys would have been better against lighter weights and put on a good show in there own right but alas it was'nt to be.but still apreciate there willing to go on to put the main guys over above and beyond to them i tip my hat they call you jobbers i say job well done " does the job degrade the man or is it the other way around "
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Post by frwfallguy on Mar 14, 2007 11:09:30 GMT -5
Speaking as former "enhancement talent" myself (I worked a lot of TV tapings for the WWF/E in the early 90's)...the job is what it is. You're there to make the other guy look good. Back when I did it, it was a lot different than it is today. In the early 90's, they (the WWF/E) taped most of thier stuff for 3 weeks for 3 seperate shows; "WWF Superstars" and "WWF Challenge". They also did a bi-weekly (I believe that was the schedule; that might have been every 3 weeks as well) Monday Night show for the original version of "Raw" at the Manhattan Center, a portion of which was shown live with the remainder being taped for later broadcast.
The WWF/E was in a financial pinch at the time and nearly every TV taping was held on the east coast (rarely North of the Philedelphia area) and up into Nova Scotia. I believe this kept the cost of moving the production crew too far outside the range of thier Stamford HQ. Because of this, a lot of guys claiming to be wrestlers in this area got shots on TV "doing jobs"...myself included. I have said in the past and maintain that at that point, anybody with a pair of wrestling trunks and boots could get on TV at least once. Of course, if you were lousy they wouldn't call you back. I spent a year doing "jobs" from White Plains, NY to Nova Scotia and all points in between, so I guess they thought I was OK for thier purposes at least.
There is a lot less need for enhancment guys now. Honestly, why have a bunch of guys around not on the roster taking up locker room space, pay and TV time when your average match runs 3-6 minutes between guys you have under contract? The guys they use for what little "enhancement" matches they have are generally guys they want to take a look at for (or already have under) development contracts.
By the way, my favorite is probably "Iron" Mike Sharpe...the world's loudest wrestler.
FRW Fall Guy
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Post by Mr Old School on Mar 30, 2007 15:53:15 GMT -5
My favorite "enhancement talent" back in the day was the WWWF's dimestore version of the great Mil Mascaras...the one ... the only... EL OLYMPICO !!! Other notables were Gypsy Joe Rodriguez, Johnny Rodz and Joe Turco. And lest we not forget the ever-popular Frankie Williams!! Ah, the good ol' days...  |
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Post by backrowfan on Apr 4, 2007 17:16:16 GMT -5
My favorite "enhancement talent" back in the day was the WWWF's dimestore version of the great Mil Mascaras...the one ... the only... EL OLYMPICO !!! Other notables were Gypsy Joe Rodriguez, Johnny Rodz and Joe Turco. And lest we not forget the ever-popular Frankie Williams!! Ah, the good ol' days... El Olympico? He was my favorite when I was a kid. Vince used to call him "The Master of the Flying Dropkick." He was one vote short of beating Tony Garea for the 1972 Rookie of the Year Award. One vote!!! He also had a nice little feud going with Chuck Conners (later know n as Big John Studd) and if you look around for some old wrestling results, you will see that they wen about 50-50 on wins loses. Not that there is anything wrong with being a jobber, but I remember El Olympico as having gotten a little push back then. He used to win his matches on TV. I'll be looking for you at the next Rochester show, Rod. We can talk about the old days. |
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Post by Mr Old School on Apr 4, 2007 19:39:32 GMT -5
El Olympico actually won a match?  LOL! In all the WWWF TV tapings from Allentown, PA back in the early-to-late 70's(with Strongbow, "Showboat" Sonny King, The Mongols, Koloff, Stasiak,etc), I NEVER saw him win a match nor have any semblance of a push in the WWWF. He may have gotten a push in another promotion but he certainly was "enhancement talent" for the likes of Iron Mike McCord (aka Austin Idol) and the other heels of the day with respect to the WWWF. Heck Jose Gonzales or Baron Mikel Scicluna got bigger "pushes" than El Olympico ever dreamed of having, LOL! I'm not saying it couldn't have happened, but I certainly don't recall it. I have a few tapes of the old WWWF TV shows as well and he got squashed on those as well. But he had a cool mask though! I don't recall "Chuck Connors" either but I go back only as far as about '72 and yes, I do indeed remember when Tony Garea was the rookie of the year and those gawd-awful red and white pinstriped trunks! We'll have to get together at the next show and swap old memories. I look forward to it as well. Rod aka "Mr Old School" |
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Post by pmoholland on Apr 4, 2007 23:08:08 GMT -5
Wrestler: El Olympico
Real Name: Joe Corea
Mid-70s: El Olympico was a masked babyface jobber for the WWWF, billed as being from Mexico City, Mexico.............................
Wrestler: Big John Studd (1948-1995)
Real Name: John William Minton
Birthday: February 19, 1948
Hometown: Los Angeles, California
Height & Weight: 6'10" - 364 lbs
Trained by: Killer Kowalski
Debut: 1977
Previous Gimmicks: Chuck O'Connor
Captain USA
Executioner #2
Masked Superstar #2
Finishing Move: Reverse Bear Hug
Favorite Moves: Back Breaker
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LOL! In all the WWWF TV tapings from Allentown, PA back in the early-to-late 70's(with Strongbow, "Showboat" Sonny King, The Mongols, Koloff, Stasiak,etc), I NEVER saw him win a match nor have any semblance of a push in the WWWF. He may have gotten a push in another promotion but he certainly was "enhancement talent" for the likes of Iron Mike McCord (aka Austin Idol) and the other heels of the day with respect to the WWWF. Heck Jose Gonzales or Baron Mikel Scicluna got bigger "pushes" than El Olympico ever dreamed of having, LOL! I'm not saying it couldn't have happened, but I certainly don't recall it. I have a few tapes of the old WWWF TV shows as well and he got squashed on those as well. But he had a cool mask though!